Question by wassap: How would you support Russia in the the Russo-Georgia War?
Not that i personally would, but I have a position paper to write in favor of Russia. Also, I need to come up with some resolutions to the problem so any pro Russia ideas for resolutions would be great as well.
Answers and Views:
Answer by Bob G
Join the army and shoot some georgians.
Read all the answers in the comments.
What do you think?
Zak says
we make the georgians our b!tches, like we americans soon!
Al says
Its the Americans that are pushing it to far!
mccleary97502 says
Try going with the facts. A major portion of Russian energy comes through an oil pipe line that runs through Ossetta. The oil pipe line is considered a vital resource to Russian economy and welfare.
Negotiations and fees for use of the pipe line has been a point of contention between Georgia and Russia since the Soviet Decline.
When the secessionist fighting broke out around the pipe line, Russia invaded to "protect the people" who happened to live along the oil pipe line.
When the pipeline was secured, Russian military activities ceased. It seems the "people" in other areas of fighting weren't of as much concern as the ones in the region the oil pipe line ran through.
Russia then recognized the Secessionist Ossetta government as legitimate and now hopes to get a better deal for use of the Oil Pipeline from the new regime, since Russia helped them.
muinghan says
Absolutely not.
It would be like the United States moving troops in to capture Mexico.
Ridiculous if they think anyone in the world would condone it.
Georgia is a Presidential Democratic Republic.
They are a distinct country with a distinct people.
They do not share a common language.
Population wise, they are as large as many other countries.
They claim an ancient historical beginning from the Holy Lands.
They are the ancient society of Iberia, whatever their roots.
They are more MIddle Eastern than European.
Agriculture and tourism have been their principal economic contribution.
(No oil rich fields….no rich pockets of natural gas….nothing to constitute an invasion for need)
They have a high unemployment rate of 12.6% and a fairly low median income compared to European countries.
There is NO REASON IN THE WORLD for Russia to even bother with Georgia.
There is no difference in what Russia wants with invading Georgia than Iraq's invasion of Kuwait….except Kuwait had something of value.
This is nothing but a POWER TRIP for Russia.
A sad, meaningless power trip.
I , a Bolshevik says
We , Bolsheviks, have an answer:
"For a Socialist Federation of Caucasian peoples!
Down with capitalist restoration and bourgeois Bonapartism- for a new Union of Soviet Socialist Republics!
1. The five days war in Caucasus between the Georgian pro-imperialist Saakashvili regime and Russia has not solely a major regional and local importance but world significance.
There are obviously local and regional reasons that cannot be ignored: Georgia’s drive for a forced annexation of Abhazia and South Ossetia, de facto and willingly independent from 1992; the many centuries on-going conflict between Georgian nationalism and Great Russian chauvinism. But all these national problems have to be put in their actual historical context. Today’s international dimension overshadows and determines the other factors. The recent war in Caucasus is the latest -but not last- violent convulsion following the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, one more link in the bloody series of imperialist wars in the post Cold War world, from Yugoslavia to Afghanistan and Iraq. The re-integration of the former Soviet space into world capitalism proved to be, far from a linear, peaceful process, the opening of an entire period of zigzag developments, full of sudden crises and imperialist wars, led mainly by US imperialism, to re-establish world hegemony under new historic terms.
After months of building up of tensions, the war in Caucasus started on August 7, with the invasion of South Ossetia by the Georgian troops, the barbaric destruction of its capital Tshkinvali, and mass killing of the civilian population who had to run away or hide in underground refuges; in a few hours, in the morning of August the 8th, the situation changed dramatically with the counter-offensive of the Russian armed forces that destroyed completely the Georgian army, navy and air-force, which were heavily armed and systematically trained by US imperialism and Israel, and then invaded Georgia, divided it into three parts, advanced 40 miles near the capital Tbilisi, surrounded it and cut it from the Black Sea. Saakashvili’s blitzkrieg did not succeed, as he hoped, to rapidly establish a fait accompli by annexing South Ossetia and then Abhazia, expecting that the immediate intervention of the “international community’ i.e. of US and EU imperialism could consolidate these gains; on the contrary, the adventurism of this Georgian-American lawyer acting both as a President of Georgia and as an agent provocateur of imperialism backfired and led to its crushing defeat as well as to a serious setback of his masters in Washington. ….. "
Elwood Blues says
Not that I fully agree with Russia's position, but:
1. There were many ethnic Russians living is some Georgian provinces.
2. Some of those provinces wanted to break away from Georgia.
3. Recently, when the Province of Kosovo broke away from Serbia, it received military support from the West, and its Statehood was recognized very quickly by the West, against the wishes of Russia.
4. If the West can support and recognize a breakaway province far from its borders, why cannot Russia do the same near its border?
5. If the West can assume a threat in a faraway nation like Iraq, and invade on the basis of that assumption, why cannot Russia do the same near its border?
Basically, your job is to find statements supporting the West's activities in Kosovo and Iraq, and twist them to support Russia's activities is Georgia. The underlying principle here is that the West (mostly GWB) set a number of bad precedents, and now Russia is gleefully following those precedents in order to expand it's sphere of influence. Another component of this is that back at the start of the Iraq war, Bush was desperate for members of the "coalition of the willing" and he implied some promises of help to the Georgian president. Georgia dutifully supplied some troops to Iraq, and Georgia was emboldened by Bush's words. Thus Georgia thought it could ignore Moscow and went more agressively into the breakaway provinces.
Moscow achieved several goals: they protected ethnic Russians, they put a healthy fear of Russian into their neighbors, and they showed how hollow Bush's words were. The result is a net loss of US influence in countries bordering Russia, and a net gain of Russian influence in those countries. Which leads to:
6. If the US and Europe can have spheres of influence, why cannot Russia?
UPDATE: muinghan finishes comment with: This is nothing but a POWER TRIP for Russia. A sad, meaningless power trip."
I agree it is a power trip for Russia. To Moscow, it was a small price to pay for a great increase in influence in bordering countries. I don't think Moscow sees that as meaningless.
And, to put it in context, is our foray into Iraq also a power trip? What happens when other countries parrot our Iraq arguments in order to further their own ends? Do we still have the moral standing to speak against them? Do we still have the military power to put fear into them? Frankly, Russia has made us look weak, and that is very meaningful to them.
michael b says
I would get our best politicians to encourage the Russian People. Politicians like Ted Kennedy, Harry Reid, and Diane Feinstien. These people have shown time and time again the ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!!!
2Negative says
The US is a big supporter of Georgia so some type of attack or some other way of distracting the US away for awhile would give Russia time to deal with Georgia.
Candy says
Russia's argument is that the Georgian government was oppressing both the ethnic Ossetians and Abkhazians as well as the Russians living in Georgia. They claimed that the government was corrupt and incompetent (which western observers tend to agree with), and that they had to invade to protect defenseless people.
If you want to take a global politics perspective, you can bring in the attempt by the US to align itself with all of the former Soviet Republics, thus encircling Russia with enemies. The US now has military bases in Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan and plans for more, and just agreed to supply Poland with nuclear missiles pointed at Russia.
If the US was justified in threatening war to keep Soviet missiles out of Cuba, why isn't Russia entitled to similarly defend itself?
And lastly, the US argued that it had full rights to invade Iraq and Afghanistan without any approval from anyone, countries thousands of miles away from its borders. How can they then claim that Russia has no right to send troops into a neighboring country to protect its own interests?
peter.jungmann says
The only thing I think can be said here, is that Georgia wasn't exactly being cooperative with Russia, and should have known that provoking Russia in any way can result in these kinds of actions.
TDRB says
Im an American, im on Georgias side. Especially with all the BS that Russia pulls trying to assert itself as a super power in todays world. I.E. sending planes to Venezuela for training, building the "Father of all bombs" to combat with the Americans Mother of all bombs
I read your question after I responded lol, but I will just add a little bit that may be used in your paper. Although you must support Russia, which I DONT understand. But Russia is a country that is stuck in its ways, they are not producing enough children. They government is now offering funds to families who have kids, because they want to GROW! You know, im sitting here trying to think of an idea for you too write your paper on, but im sorry, I cant. I cannot see any possible thing that is good for you. Well maybe one, and lets be frank, Georgia kind of pulled the trigger of a loaded gun when they began messing around with Russia, but nonetheless, they handled the situation like it would have been handled in the '70's.
Swanbow says
Allow Abkazhia and South Ossetia to become independent states or join the russian federation.
Country First says
I would support Georgia all the way.
[email protected] says
don't support any war!
Dj_db4night says
i woudnt support war at all
Darwin says
Absolutely! And I think that Alabama and Florida would join in too.